"Concerned Parent"

Ok, this isn't an article, but this is TOO good to pass up (lol). I swear this is either a very well educated troll trying REALLY hard, or a lunatic fundamentalist. (Please don't get me wrong with anything related to Christianity, I see both sides, but it's the ignorant idiots that give me my best topics of choice)

Post: Concerned Parent (I'm going to quote just about everything from the OP considering I doubt this thread is going to last much longer

My 16 year old daughter recently came up to me, and told me she is Wiccan. Now this I do not like, I am DEVOUTLY Roman Catholic myself. She says that she went through some sort of dedication garbage. I figure go right to the source to figure this out; How do I un dedicate her?

--You can't undedicate someone anymore than someone can force you to unbaptize. It doesn't work that way. Only the individual can CHOOSE to stop practicing something if THEY wish, not because someone doesn't like what they do.

God has told me in my prayers that she is going to be damaged, and damned. I have prayed many times, but God says that I should take action.

--I wonder. How can you be so sure this was "God" and not the brainwashed propaganda crap repeating itself in your mind?

I have tried telling her that Paganism and Wicca stuff is Satans Recruiting tool, with which I agree. I am sorry to you all, but I must get my daughter BACK to Roman Catholicism. Christianity is the ONLY religion in this world. The pagans say that it is the roots of christianity and that WE steel ideology. No it is the other way around. You take christian values and TRY TO COVER UP THAT YOU WORSHIP SATAN!

--Sorry, but Roman Catholicism is NOT the only religion in the world...you're forgetting Islam, Judiasm, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. And Christianity is a conglomeration of NUMEROUS Pagan systems "borrowed" and pieced together. Not to mention Paganism and Wicca is about as "Satans Recruiting tool" as Christianity is Hades Recruiting tool. This utter nonsense thatSatan lures people away from Christianity is ridiculous...it's not Satan, but those who are fanatical about their religion. Like the OP

Now tell me how my daughter can be once again a born again Catholic

--Your daughter will only once again be Catholic when (or IF) SHE decides, not because you forced her.

Now some responses

Fine you Satanists are against me? Thats fine. I see what I see, magic COMES FROM Satan, I dont care what you believe.

--Was wondering when the OP was going to shove her fingers in her ear and start yelling "LA LA LA I CAN"T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA..."

There is a way to dedicate, and there should surely be a way to un dedicate.

--Of course there is...when SHE decides SHE doesn't want to be Wiccan any more.

And dont tell me what Christianity is, and you sure don't quote the bible on me. But I will ALSO play along

--Apparently the answerer did. It's apparent that the OP has her head shoved so far up her butt, she THINKS she knows what Christianity is...or whatever the fundamentalist church she goes to tells her it is.

"Thou Shall Not Suffer A Witch To Live" Exodus 18:22

--Mistranslation, originally "Poisoner" not "Witch"

"He sacrificed his children in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced divination and witchcraft, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, arousing his anger." Chronicles 33:6

--Did God not demand child sacrifices in the beginning? Did Moses not perform magical tricks before the Pharoh?

" all because of the wanton lust of a prostitute, alluring, the mistress of sorceries, who enslaved nations by her prostitution and peoples by her witchcraft." Nahum 3:4

--This is only thought to be Witchcraft merely because she was a woman and men are pigs (even back then) chasing a piece of tail

"When Joram saw Jehu he asked, “Have you come in peace, Jehu?”

“How can there be peace,” Jehu replied, “as long as all the idolatry and witchcraft of your mother Jezebel abound?”" Kings 2 9:22

--I don't see what this has to do with any practices, but rather accusations with no evidence

" Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft" Deuteronomy 18:10

--Ah, a quote I've used before...how nice to see it again. This pertains to those who choose to follow Christianity, not Wiccans, Witches or Pagans

"idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions" Galations 5:20

--Again, pertaining to those following Christianity

" I will destroy your witchcraft and you will no longer cast spells." Micah 5:12

--It's been 2000 years...when is he going to destroy our Witchcraft????

DO NOT use the bible against me, I have been a devout Catholic and practiced it for 44 years (Since I was born). I was Baptized Catholic at a VERY young age. Studied the Bible since I was 5 to 10, then Followed the bible TOOTH and NAIL since I could read.

--Yeah, but you still don't understand it

Now I hope you can understand my dislike for Witchcraft, especially when my own Catholic raised daughter practices it. I HAVE taught her better than that. Or so I had hoped. I didnt raise a satan worshipper, I raised a God Fearing girl. I mean no "insult" Ijust have strong dislike for this whole thing.

--You haven't the first clue as to what Witchcraft REALLY is outside your bible (which again is written by FLAWED humans. Inspired by God? Perhaps, but STILL written by flawed MEN)

And you say "Callisto" (the responder below) that I have no control over my daughters religion? Uh yeah I do, she is only 16. If she was 18 or older, I would have less control over it. I need to know a real answer how to undo this nonsense. I dont want my daughter going to Hell

--You don't. No one has control over ANYONE"S religion. You have no control over your daughters religion any more than she has control over yours.

Callisto said: (the responder the OP was responding to above...I won't address it)

I smell troll, but I'll play along.

1. No intelligent, sincere or loving person would insult those he's hoping to get advice from.

2. Neither you or anyone else can "undedicate" another from their religious path or beliefs. Asking to is like someone else asking how can they "unbaptize" you or revoke any other sacrament you've taken.

3. Your religion, your choice. NOT your daughter's - big difference. Belonging to a given religion does not guarantee "salvation" or of you being on the "right" path. Others of other denominations are equally as sure in their own faith that they are right and you are wrong. In fact, other Christians consider Catholics to be heretical.

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. " - Matthew 7:21

4. If you believe yourself to be a good parent who has taught your child right from wrong, then you should trust and respect your daughter's spiritual exploration. If you don't trust her, that says more about your own failings than anything about her.

She is exploring Wicca now, she might give Christianity another look later on (ANY denomination), or find her path is Buddhism, Judaism, Shinto or some other. Either way, it's her path to find, not yours to dictate. You should be trying to learn along with her and have discussions on how each path views things.

5. Coercing someone to do what you want does not guarantee salvation and certainly will not mean she takes your religion to heart. She would only be going through the motions just to shut you up. A religion serves no good purpose if someone is forced to practice it just to make someone else happy.

6. Your arrogance, ignorance and condemnation of other religions will only work against you. Ignorance breeds the fear you clearly feel. Your hostility is enough to cause anyone to reconsider belonging to a religion that would foster such ugliness in an individual. You're setting a very bad example and a less than glowing endorsement for your own beliefs and religion. Acting and speaking hatefully of others only gives reason for creating even greater distance - and not just in regards to religion.

Christianity is suppose be a loving religion, you've not demonstrated any. You should seek to understand and not judge. According to your religion only one party is entitled to judge - your god, not you.

As Jesus said regarding the faith of a pagan Roman centurion, "Assuredly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! I say to you that many will come from East and West, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 8:10-12

If Christ didn't malign the pagan soldier or his faith, who are you to malign your own daughter and hers?

Now, back to the OP

OP: PS. I dont take advice from Crossdressers. God made you a man ACT LIKE IT! DRESS LIKE ONE! You are not a female, you can not create a life for God from your loins. You can not support a child from your breast. Men are men, women are women, God did this for a reason?

--Is this a question? How typical of one who feels they are losing a fight to start with name calling and talking about something having absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

OP: The Bible is not wrong sweetie. The Bible is law. And it speeks against Witchcraft. Meaning the Lord does not like it. There is a reason why it is in there.

--Contrary to this belief...I can point out NUMEROUS contradictions and errors in the bible...therefore it IS wrong on numerous accounts.

OP: She is 16, she must listen

--Well, you got us there...a minor MUST listen to their parents and do as they say until they reach 18...when living in their home...however, at that age, she is also well within her rights to get a job of her own and move into her own apartment and do as she likes. So I'd watch your tongue, lest it push her out the door.

and repent before she goes to Hell.

--Ah, the loving words of a loving mother.

I did not drive a wedge.

--Oh? Claiming her chosen religion is ridiculous, is devil worship, is leading her to hell, is "Satans recruiting tool", etc is NOT driving a Wedge? ROFLMAO!!!

Just a few weeks before she was Catholic, she went to church and partook in the Holy Communion,

--Seems to me something happened regarding Catholicism that didn't fit her tastes. Forcing her back into it is a sure fire way to making her an atheist.

then all of a sudden she wont go near a church.

--Maybe a traumatic event? Figures that a religion-bent mother wouldn't bother listening to her daughter if there were a problem at the church, but rather force her back there (even if there were a traumatic event that happened) forcing her to relive this event (a speculation)

The only "influence" I had there was driving her to church. She willingly and gladly went.

--Perhaps to please you, but not herself. You are quite the selfish mother.

You know what? I am fearful. I am scared of Witches and the whole witchcraft thing. As I said, there is a reason that it is spoken against in the bible. That is because it is Satans work.

--You're only scared because of the crap YOUR church has spread about something it knows absolutely nothing about. Rumors and lies can make people afraid of almost anything.

Boo...the thread has been removed as I was doing this...but you get my point. I am willing to give this to any Christian willing to argue this with me, because brainwashed crap is still crap.